I thought that for my midweek post this week I’d go right back to my early days. This one was originally posted on 28 January 2013, when my blog had only been going in earnest for around three months. I’ve reissued it in other forms but this is the original version – with a little update at the end. Before I begin, however, I feel that I should point out that several of the comments on the original post said that I hadn’t mentioned the benefits of exercise in helping towards good sleeping patterns. This was deliberate, as I had a companion piece on exercise in preparation at the time. Maybe I’ll share that one again, too? For now, though, this is what I gave you as:
SLEEPLESS IN EPPING
When I started this blog it was to share with you my experience of depression, both going through it and getting over it. But as I’ve said before, there were parts of the experience which didn’t really fit into the main story but may be relevant to others. As well as the main illness I was also suffering from severely disrupted sleeping patterns, which I still have now. So I’m sharing them with you. Aren’t you lucky?
What was wrong?
For quite some time, many months at least and maybe years, I have got by with around five hours sleep each night, but in the lead up to my depression diagnosis this got progressively worse. I was managing three hours at best most nights, and not all in the one spell: I would wake up at least once or twice, and sometimes more, every night. Whilst this may not have been the ‘cause’ of depression, it sure as hell didn’t help prevent it! I was asked about this when I first saw my GP, who noticed that I had a slight irregularity in my heartbeat which she thought might be a contributory factor to my nocturnal arousals – the waking up and getting up, even if I didn’t need to pee! So, on top of all the other tests, I was sent for an ECG to see how serious this might be. Fortunately, this confirmed the irregular heartbeat but not to a severe level. So I still have that, untreated, and I know that I’m just going to have to live with it.
The next stage was to be referred to a specialist clinic. I didn’t have to stay in hospital but was invited to add to my apparel for one night – a mini computer, with all sorts of wires and tubes to be attached to my chest, stomach, arms and face (see below). The instructions were like IKEA for sleep disorders, but at least they were in something resembling English and all the parts were there! This test also confirmed the irregular breathing patterns, but nothing more severe. I had been told that I was being tested for sleep apnoea, which was just a name to me, and when the consultant told me the results I said I was almost disappointed – I’d been hoping they would find something wrong so that they could treat it. The look on his face was priceless, somewhere between ‘you have my sympathy’ and ‘you’re a complete imbecile’ and it was then he told me that sleep apnoea can be fatal, so it was just as well I didn’t have it! He also said there was no treatment that would help me, either. So that was it – keep your fingers crossed, lad, you may sleep properly one day!
What could I do about it?
I was advised to try sleeping in a chair, rather than my bed, as this might improve airflow though my passages. They thought my irregular heartbeat might be combining with breathing patterns to jolt me awake. As the advice came from a professional I thought it was worth a go, and nearly a year on I’m still doing it. I don’t know if it helps but I’m afraid to stop doing it! I’ve tried a few times to sleep in my bed again, but have still woken up several times in the night and in the mornings I’ve had terrible backache. I must be getting old! But at least chair-sleeping makes it easier to get up in the morning – I just stand up!
I was also advised that weight loss would help, which didn’t really come as a surprise! I’ve lost over three stone in the past seven months and feel much better for it. I’ve no idea if it helps with sleep though, and how could you test it anyway? I don’t think my scales measure sleep times as well as weight.
So I’ve tried a few other things as well, with mixed degrees of failure. To give you an idea:
Sleeping on the settee – mine’s a two-seater, I was constantly moving around trying to get comfortable and keep everything on the settee. I didn’t sleep and I felt like I’d gone ten rounds with Mike Tyson. Not recommended!
Sleeping on the floor – only for the hardy or the terminally stupid. Painful, didn’t work, and guys if you try it be careful to avoid squashing important bits. That doesn’t help you sleep – trust me, I know! Not recommended!
Infusions – I’ve never been much of a fan of the herbal/floral teas. As far as I’m concerned, to be called ‘tea’ it needs to contain ‘tea.’ Grass is for gardens, or for enlivening smoking. But someone recommended lemon and ginger and to my surprise I quite liked it. So I thought I’d try the special infusions to aid sleep. Verdict? Well, I’ve never drunk liquid compost, but I think I now have an idea of what it would taste like. And it didn’t seem to help me sleep any better either – probably because of the retching. Not recommended!
Herbal sleep tablets – following the ‘it’s good for you’ logic I thought I’d try these. Well, if they’re good enough for Cadfael, why not? They were quite large, it was impossible to swallow them without tongue contact and they tasted like…you guessed it, liquid compost in tablet form. No noticeable difference in sleep either, probably because of the bad taste lingering above toothpaste. Not recommended!
Hot chocolate – tastes much nicer than the shit-in-a-bag stuff. But no noticeable improvement in sleep. Recommended for enjoyment, but not for sleeping.
Keep the TV on with low or no sound – what was I thinking! I just ended up watching movies! Not recommended, well, for sleep anyway. I saw some good films though.
Sleeping with the lights on – also in the ‘what was I thinking’ category. No. Utterly pointless. Not recommended.
Keep the TV and the lights on – see the previous two. Not recommended.
Listen to music – also falls into the ‘enjoyable but didn’t help’ class. Maybe I shouldn’t have tried it with AC/DC? Fun, but not recommended.
Reading to make my brain tired – see watching TV, only in Kindle form. Not recommended.
Going on the computer to make my brain tired – see watching TV, reading etc. Not recommended.
Making the flat very warm, to induce drowsiness – more likely to help with weight loss from the sauna effect. No use whatsoever. Also detrimental to the electricity bill. Not recommended.
Basically, after trying all of these and getting nowhere, I’ve come to the conclusion that my motto should be….
‘I want to go to sleep, but my brain keeps talking to itself’
So, does anyone know of anything else I could try? I’d love to hear from you if there is, provided it isn’t illegal or immoral. I think the only thing I haven’t tried is normal sleeping pills from my GP. We’ve discussed it several times but always agreed that they may not work either, they may react with my anti-depressants, and they can be addictive. But I’m going in the morning so I’ll ask again. If you don’t hear from me for a while it will mean I’ve got some and they worked! And if not, I may see you on Twitter at 3am one morning.
As they say..
’Dear 3am. We have to stop meeting like this. I’d much rather sleep with you.’
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And this is me today. Ten years on, my sleeping patterns are much better, though I think that may be something to do with retiring and taking away the pressure in my life. Whatever it is, I’m thankful for it. And anyway, now that I’m in my dotage I can nod off whenever I feel like it, can’t I? I try not to, though: sleeping during the day makes for wakeful nights! One final thought strikes me: if this were a new post today I’d be illustrating it with a tune, wouldn’t I? In view of that final comment in the original this one seems to fit the bill perfectly:
Sleep tight, and don’t let the bed bugs bite 😊🛏️🪲🤣


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I’m pleased that your sleep patterns have improved, Clive…I can sleep anywhere as long as I have my own pillow or a very flat pillow…I just go head, pillow ,die(not literally) is how I describe my sleeping…xx
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Thank you, Carol. You’re very lucky! xx
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So I am told by my less fortunate friends and family 🙂 x
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Glad your sleeping patterns are better. In your original post you didn’t mention sleeping during the day. I find if Sam’s driving and I nod off in the car, then I’m awake most of the night. Sleeping during the day is a no-no for me.
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At the time of the original it wasn’t an option as I was still working, that’s why I didn’t mention it. But you’re right: it can play havoc with nighttime sleep, which is why I also try to avoid it.
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Yes, me too.
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I’ve struggled with sleeping my entire life. I used to wake up all the time in the middle of the night worrying about kids. I thought that after I retired I would sleep better because I wasn’t worrying so much. I maybe sleep through the night once a year or unless I’m totally exhausted. Otherwise, my strategy is to stay up late (Many times until 1:00 a.m.) or until I grow sleepy. I probably average about five hours of sleep per night, though I only seem to need a nap if I exercise intensely. I gave up sleeping pills more than six months ago. I expected a more difficult transition, but I got used to not having them pretty quickly.
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Sorry to hear that, Pete. Hopefully things are working out better for you now. It’s good that you have managed to drop the tablets – they can become addictive!
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Thank god it’s much better.. You get an A+ for all you have tried Clive! 💗
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Thank you, Cindy! 😊
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You’re so welcome Clive! 💞
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Sometimes the brain does not want to lie down, it keeps on rattling on and you’re dragged along behind it physically, shuffling like a zombie. (Tag line for a remake of an old movie- ‘The Brain That Wouldn’t Rest…’) One thing I have done, on the rareish occasions I can’t sleep is look to the Sky and put on some golf on a low sound. If there is one thing bound to send me to sleep its the sight and sound of golf- it’s more sleep inducing for me than watching a five day test is for Americans.
I swear it works for me. The only sport I know that is beyond tedious.
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I hadn’t thought of that but I’ll bear it in mind for the next time I’m awake during the night 🤣
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I’ve always been a bit of a light sleeper, so it wouldn’t take much to wake me up. The problem would be getting back to sleep. Retired, and no need to worry about getting up early for work, I still sleep light but if I’m worried about Hubby or the dog or have to be up early to leave for an appointment, I hardly sleep at all. It is highly unusual for me to cat nap on the settee, but Hubby can which is good as pain keeps him awake most nights so he takes whatever sleep he can get.
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It sounds like you both manage alright, despite the inconveniences life throws at you. It can’t be easy, though, and I hope you are ok.
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We do OK Clive, thanks. Sometimes being a light sleeper is a blessing and we are always looking out for each other.
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That’s good to know. Take care 😊
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Thanks Clive. You too.
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Your sleep pattern … or rather, lack of pattern … ten years ago reminds me of David’s! The man rarely sleeps more than an hour at a time most nights, but takes a few kips daily in his lounge chair. I am glad to know you’re sleeping somewhat better now, anyway. I love that motto you came up with: ‘I want to go to sleep, but my brain keeps talking to itself’. My brain talks to itself all night, too, but I still manage to sleep 4-5 hours … it talks in the form of dreams, sometimes very disturbing ones! Sleep well, my friend.
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I think our bodies adjust somehow, whatever we are doing to them! I deliberately chose to have a retirement lifestyle as free from stress as possible, and rebadged my blog to reflect that. That line may not be original: I don’t remember if I made it up or found it somewhere online, probably in a meme! I’m glad you manage to get some sleep at least, even though you suffer the curse of dreams! You sleep well too 😊
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My body and my mind are engaged in a constant battle for domination! The mind used to almost always win, but lately the body is being cruel and shutting the mind out, not listening to a thing it says! It’s a constant battle!
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Not being able to sleep is so tough as it throws off your body’s normal patterns for the next day…thanks for sharing your numerous and in some cases very humorous efforts!
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Thanks, John. I struggled for a time but it has become much easier since I retired, thankfully. It’s frightening to think I wrote that over ten years ago, but the style hasn’t changed 🤣
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I get a good 8 hours of sleep every night, but I wear a CPAP which I think helps me sleep better.
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That was mentioned to me but they decided against it. I’m glad it helps you 👍
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